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blast off on another vip episode of hero

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paranormal podcast broadcasting south

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of the uinta basin and uh

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just south of area 51 my name is ryan

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the original outlaw

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of the airwaves bringing you well a

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humdinger of an episode today

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epic really been wanting to talk to

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curry for quite some time

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and apparently i talked to him once

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before i wasn't aware of that

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because it goes to show i do so many

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podcasts

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sometimes i forget which ones i have

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done but uh

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curry didn't pop onto the map so to

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speak until apparently after i was

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on his show already he's got a great

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show passion for the paranormal is the

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name of it definitely

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like and subscribe that show as it goes

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into the fringe

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areas that i am so eloquently

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stuck in i love it i just love the kind

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of stuff that curry

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digs into so when he and i

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discussed possibly doing a podcast it

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was a no-brainer

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curry is well hurst in everything uh

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northeastern utah shapeshifter territory

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related he is a

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evp uh aficionado has done it himself

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he's done on

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he's gone on ghost hunts he's done

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research himself he's not just an

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he's gone to back woods areas

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some of which only the hardcore

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researchers know of he throws a few of

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them in this podcasts

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and you know i am not well

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hearst in everything northern utah he's

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broadcasting out of ogden but amazingly

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most of the things he mentioned i have

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come into contact with it's hard

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living in utah or visiting it monthly

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and not coming into contact in the same

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so with that said he mentions

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kay's cross which is a very interesting

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and haunted location

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k's cross is a

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private property and much like some of

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the paranormal locations we're going to

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you have to respect private property now

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if this is something that you want to

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the guy you want to go with he has

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permission to go on the property and

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does events there

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and uh yeah case cross

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uh investigations as seen on ghost

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adventures

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that's the guy you want to look at is

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and uh he can help you do kay's cross

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the right way

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now kay's crosses was a large stone

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cross roughly 20 feet by 13 feet located

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in northeastern caysville utah all kinds

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of ghostly activity and reasons

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with curry stegen he is

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much more uh aware of everything that

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demolition

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on the 15th of february 1992 the

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the cross was destroyed by an explosion

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police made no immediate arrests and in

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2013 a haunted tour

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of uh k's crossed in the surrounding

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forest was started

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stirring interest again in the

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decades-old legend so

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it's real it's there and now you know

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who to contact if you want to do it the

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there's plenty to see in utah guys and

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all about it so we are going to get into

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it curry's

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amazing podcast is one to be listened to

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i can't stress that enough he's a great

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and with that let's get to it curry

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stieg and welcome

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to the hero paranormal podcast if you

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remember when we did that recording that

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was about a year ago

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um i know i don't remember

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but i'm sure we did yeah you were on the

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show about a year ago we just did an

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audio only recording via skype oh cool

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uh you probably do a lot of interviews

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you probably don't remember but yeah we

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um and we talked about you know some of

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right um you know for obvious reasons

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i i've actually enjoyed the new show i

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think it's pretty good

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personally i i don't know what you think

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i think it's very entertaining and very

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you know bought the history channel just

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so yeah but i'm uh you know what

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that's expected he you know we expected

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him to watch every episode but

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you know it is it i think it's important

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using there and you know they're they're

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things he's been very

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kind of objective and you know let's uh

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so i don't know so you really don't even

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anything that's public already and has

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that's going to be okay with you

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okay all right cool i just i want to

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make sure i don't catch you off guard

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here as we're talking to me like

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people there with that i haven't

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talk about that kind of stuff

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about frank salisbury and his book and

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his research he's done in ufo sightings

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um but again you know we can talk but we

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general ufo activity that's happened

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um whatever you know investigating

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so i'm here with uh ryan burns and uh

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ryan and i are going to be talking about

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all things strange in utah so

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uh ryan uh glad to have you joining me

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do you want to do a quick intro

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uh let everybody know kind of a little

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you know just uh a guy really

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i'm just a guy that is

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interested in something that

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really drew my attention and continued

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to draw my attention no matter how much

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the recent monolith is a good example i

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strangeness whether it be high

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strangeness or strangeness in general

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coincidences the uinta mountain range

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uh you know i just a quick intro let me

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know uh before i do that

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ryan you also host the hero paranormal

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podcast show do you want you just give a

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plug for that real fast

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yeah man you just did that's pretty much

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it hero paranormal

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uh dot com you can go there and listen

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to the archives it's free if you want it

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to be if you want to throw a book you

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can

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and it's just you know like you know

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podcasting is just

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i have found that it is almost like a

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new revolution it is a way of getting

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information that you may otherwise

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forget

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if you're able to uh document it over

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and over again through different means

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methods interviewers etc

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you really have cast a really broad

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archive

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into some of this high strangeness that

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we're discussing

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now you've also written some books uh

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utah ufo

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ranch about you know your investigation

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of the uanna basin you know kind of the

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area surrounding skid walker ranch

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uh and a couple other books as well um

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i'm intimately familiar with the utah

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ufo ranch

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because uh you know you were on the show

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about a year ago

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you and i had talked a little bit about

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skinwalker ranch and some of your

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experiences

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you know investigating around the

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surrounding basin and

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that was an interesting discussion i

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really enjoyed that um

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so you know most listener you'll know

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who i am uh

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i'm curry stegen i'm the host of the

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passion for the paranormal podcast so

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ryan you and i kind of agreed to do this

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on fairly short notice and

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we wanted to talk about all things

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strange here in utah

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um and and i think this is going to be a

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lot of fun talking about some of the

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strange and unusual things because as

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you said before there's plenty of it to

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go around here in utah i think

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um i've experienced it i've been doing

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paranormal investigating for over six

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years now

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um i cover all the high strangeness uh

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on my podcast show just about anything

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from ufos

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bigfoot encrypted haunted activity

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near-death experiences i like to cover

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and talk about it all so

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um you know there's a lot for us to talk

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about here and kind of

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we're probably going to go about an hour

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i think here we'll see how it goes

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but ryan we cannot talk about utah and

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at least

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not talk about it some level the

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strangeness

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and the mystery surrounding skinwalker

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ranch

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now uh we've got the new show out

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brandon foogle's new show the secret of

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skinwalker

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i really enjoyed the show i've liked it

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a lot any comments you have about the

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new show and what you think about it

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you know i can't comment well

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not no no uh no comments about the new

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show

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it is um i think the area

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is an area of high strangeness uh in

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utah the uintah basin in general

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and you know it is

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you know i think it is it's a place

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that is dear to a lot of people for a

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lot of different reasons

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yes absolutely now you um and i think

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you even talk about it in your book

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frank salisbury did the uh

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the i think it's the utah ufo display

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book

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um and he talked a lot about the ufo

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activity and the ufo buzz around the

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uena basin

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uh how much did that kind of influence

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you and your desire perhaps to

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research um and investigate in the uh

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basin

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a ton uh it was a series of coincidental

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events

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that kind of brought frank and i

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together

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and he was in my mind he was just you

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know

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is was will forever be this amazing mind

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who was questioning the nature of

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reality

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and you know this is a dance between

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ourselves and something mostly unseen

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and when it does reveal itself for

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a display of sorts uh it's for a reason

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and probably for a reason that's

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different for each observer

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still unknown though yeah

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and i i know again you don't really want

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to comment too much about

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skinwalker ranch and i understand

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there's some sensitivity with that

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uh i'm going to talk i want to drag an

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image over here and talk about this this

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was actually

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a a video capture well this was captured

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on the show

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while they were doing some testing uh

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travis taylor who was

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he's kind of the you know

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kind of the technical brains behind a

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lot of the tests and stuff they're doing

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on the show and this was an interesting

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one

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anyway the uh the gist of it is they

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were doing some

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testing uh on the show they were

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shooting some rockets up with some

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sensors

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and i don't know if we're gonna be able

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to get that that actual

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image to display um

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and uh they actually had a sighting

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while they were uh doing these tests and

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uh it was interesting because it was

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almost as if it was reacting while they

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were doing these tests

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um but i think it kind of speaks to you

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know the greater ufo activity that's

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been witnessed around the uena basin and

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and uh from your perspective ryan do you

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think this is really one of the biggest

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in my opinion which like i said i'm not

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an expert

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i and from my

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excuse me i i think that it is an

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area of interest it's an area of

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interest

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and i so much so

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that it's important to me

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and it is

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more than it appears to be just because

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if observation is such a critical

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element

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uh to the phenomena then

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it has been at least in recent years

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highly lowered in my opinion

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the observation from a outside

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just speaking speaking of a totally

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separate issue

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uh i think a particular property

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that is in the basin that was kind of a

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lovers lane

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place to go and um

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it used to be called the southern

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vantage point

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which looks north towards the uintah

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mountain range

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and of varying degrees of different

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mesas

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and it is

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i would say that it is diff it's now

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called space wolf research but it's

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disinformation

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that it's somehow a place where people

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go to witness the phenomenon

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it is by far more of a place

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that has had uh

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the active observation

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and which made it appealing to me

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having brought up frank salisbury and

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you know the observer is key

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you know where it is observed the most

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may be

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a key element and however it went from

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observation which made it appealing to

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me

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you know it was more than a lover's lane

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type hangout that saw several cars a

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weekend

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now it's private ownership which has

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maybe allowed eight people total on it

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since it's changed hands

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and so that's just talking about a small

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percentage of the basin but i

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see this happening across the basin

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where

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landowners are realizing there's more to

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this

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yeah it looks like i got the uh image to

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display here and just

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you know kind of a cool image this is uh

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and i think the background there's been

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highlighted for effect there

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but uh this this happened actually on

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the

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testing with rockets

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and uh you don't remember if it

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happened i think just about uh the time

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they had

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finished doing one of the tests this

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thing this craft uh

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you know just appeared and it's kind of

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a distinct

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looking craft and uh

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you know it maybe for a minute or so it

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was there and they were all looking up

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at the sky and commenting on it but

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maybe ryan what's you know as far as the

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parents of craft

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do you use do you have you heard of a

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lot of stories about this shape type

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craft appearing

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uh in and around the un basin area

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yeah the unit basin has a rich long

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history in general

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of ufos in the area and um

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to you know bringing up i i can't really

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see the image

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so i can't speak to it and um

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bringing up the tv show uh all i can say

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is i like

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everybody in it um but

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the utah ufo display really

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made it obvious to me that

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the uintah basin and

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the more of it that can be carved out

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for the right reasons

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uh is really a spiritual retreat for

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some

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a nightmare for others uh a place

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where you're able to commune with things

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that aren't supposed to exist

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and depending on your personal journey

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this is definitely a place to be avoided

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um if you're looking out for self but if

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you're looking

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into self it might be a place you want

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to

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head out a weekend camp at a designated

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camp spot

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look at the sky whatever you know give

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it a fair shake

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compared to sedona

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arches you know there's so many areas

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southern utah which brings up the

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monolith

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and ley lines and other things and

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you know the monolith lined up in my

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opinion

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quite significantly with thompson

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springs and

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uh the general area of interest we're

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discussing

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and not only that it

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is an i don't think that monolith was

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made to

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be found in fact uh i think more

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information has been

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gathered since the

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whatever your opinion of the people that

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dismantled and took it out

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since they took it out i believe that

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more information has been gathered about

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the site

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uh it's pretty significant that

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uh let me see the youtuber here that i

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followed so everybody can check it out

569
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:27,919
because it's actually worth checking out

570
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:31,440
it is jailbreak

571
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,480
outlander um and

572
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:36,080
if you go to his site he did a pretty

573
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,840
detailed thing after

574
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,120
they had taken it out which i thought

575
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,360
was really interesting because

576
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,120
uh he had friends who had just been

577
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:44,799
there before it was taken out

578
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,600
and it was very level after five years

579
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:49,520
that we know of may have been more

580
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,039
it was completely level completely true

581
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,760
significantly placed in a in

582
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:57,120
directionality north

583
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,919
south and also where there was a

584
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:01,039
naturally forming

585
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,799
waterfall it seemed to split the water

586
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,480
in two streams

587
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,720
around the amphitheater so quite

588
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:09,679
literally

589
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:12,159
if there was a rain you could sit there

590
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,039
and talk

591
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,000
with the water going around the audience

592
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,000
and the echo going out

593
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,720
and this is all very occult i know and

594
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:22,720
it seems silly but

595
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,000
but it it i don't think so um you know

596
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,320
with cults like nexium uh i mean this

597
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,840
has like nexium written all over it in

598
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:31,280
my opinion or something

599
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:34,320
nexium-ish um built

600
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,960
used forgotten about found who knows how

601
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:38,159
many years later

602
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:41,360
but it was maybe not maybe it's just

603
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,840
an art piece but still the significance

604
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,880
of the placement

605
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,880
the person who put it in was

606
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:48,480
knowledgeable of

607
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,679
semi-quasi semi-quasi-occult things

608
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:53,600
because of how it was put in

609
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,200
um it had other interesting

610
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,760
aspects as well but what are your

611
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,159
thoughts on it curry

612
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,320
well i'm going to try and drag an image

613
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:06,880
over and see if we can get that to work

614
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:09,919
of the actual monolith um

615
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,200
this is kind of uh

616
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:15,039
we're on skype here and we're trying to

617
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,720
do some

618
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,279
some photo sharing and i'm still trying

619
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,640
to get the

620
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,559
the bugs worked out on this i finally

621
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,400
got the last image to display i don't

622
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:25,760
know if it's going to allow me to

623
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,159
actually display this or not

624
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:30,080
i've got an overview image that i'm

625
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:33,760
looking at

626
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:36,080
and i don't think it's going to

627
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:37,600
unfortunately doesn't look like it's

628
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:39,039
going to allow me to do it for some

629
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:40,320
reason

630
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,360
let me see um i

631
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,080
find it interesting in the fact that uh

632
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:48,480
it's a very remote location

633
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:51,600
uh it's a slot canyon um there was

634
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:52,159
mention

635
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:55,520
when these uh uh i i don't know if there

636
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:56,480
were blm

637
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:59,120
workers they were out there actually

638
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,400
counting

639
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:03,039
uh i don't know if it was shaped out i'm

640
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,760
not sure

641
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,520
what the animal was that they were

642
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:07,760
actually counting and they discovered

643
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,080
this

644
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:10,640
object but one of the things that i find

645
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:11,840
interesting about it

646
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,200
is um they

647
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,120
one again i mentioned at the remote

648
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,120
location and how they drove this thing

649
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,960
out here it was obviously well thought

650
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:22,720
out and well placed

651
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:25,039
and uh people have actually done some

652
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:26,080
google

653
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:30,159
appears that this thing was located

654
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:30,880
there

655
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,559
at least since 2015 2016 time frame

656
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,559
some are saying there's rivets located

657
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:38,480
on it so yeah very well could have been

658
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,200
just a

659
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,600
you know an artist's design there was

660
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,120
even an artist's

661
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,000
name specifically mentioned who had the

662
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:48,880
vision of doing this

663
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:51,919
you know we saw one pop up in romania we

664
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:52,799
saw one pop

665
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,840
up in northern california up on a

666
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,039
mountaintop and they've all seemed to

667
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:59,679
disappear now which is kind of strange

668
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,240
uh you know which kind of just plays to

669
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:04,000
the mystery of all this

670
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,080
um but it was also removed and uh

671
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,799
you know there's been funny commentary

672
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:12,080
you know people have said this looks

673
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:13,200
like the southwest

674
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,039
gate sign you know that sort of thing

675
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,760
but uh it's yeah it's interesting about

676
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,279
the placement and that

677
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,440
it went it was there for such a long

678
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:25,360
period of time before it was ever

679
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,640
discovered

680
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:29,120
um dimensions wise we're talking about

681
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:31,120
ten feet tall and i think about two feet

682
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,240
wide

683
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,279
uh and again there was another guy that

684
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,960
somehow finally managed to find a

685
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:38,000
location because i don't think

686
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,200
they broadcast the exact location uh

687
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,279
and he said there was more than one

688
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:45,360
surface in other words like it had kind

689
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,559
of been

690
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,880
put together wasn't all one solid

691
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:50,320
surface and that's one of the things he

692
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,440
pointed out

693
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,279
so i think it's probably prosaic

694
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,120
explanations for this

695
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:57,840
um although there is some kind of

696
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,480
interesting

697
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,559
elements to this and whoever did

698
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:01,919
possibly

699
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:04,480
you know do this it was very well

700
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:05,840
thought out as you kind of already

701
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:12,630
yeah there the other odd thing

702
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:15,840
just uh not that it's that important is

703
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,880
that the acoustics apparently if you

704
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,279
were within a foot of this thing

705
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,919
your voice would echo or amplify

706
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,679
throughout the amphitheater

707
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,919
and if you were more than a foot or a

708
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,200
couple feet away from this

709
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,720
there was you know your voice would

710
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:32,480
reduce down to

711
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:35,520
uh normal normal sound

712
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:38,960
so the placement again but yeah man i

713
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:39,440
think

714
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,919
thought obviously westworld because they

715
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:46,080
filmed in the general areas of some

716
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,240
occult way of like bringing worst worlds

717
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,080
you know overall popularity into

718
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,760
fruition i doubt it i don't think

719
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:55,840
westworld's going to

720
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:58,559
go to the lengths of securing those

721
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,200
permits

722
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:02,320
and uh you know not do things by the

723
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,200
book

724
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,760
um the other thing is you know is it a

725
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:07,279
possible eccentric

726
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,559
occult group possibly um

727
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,559
you know a lot of these are starting to

728
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:14,640
kind of bubble to the surface

729
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:18,399
with the epstein saga

730
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,480
we have members in general southeastern

731
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,000
utah arizona

732
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:27,360
and parts of mexico that were

733
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:30,559
members of multiple families nexium

734
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:33,679
and other organizations and

735
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:36,080
um i'm not saying that it was them but

736
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:36,720
if they

737
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,600
are there you know it's it's usually you

738
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:40,880
know where you see one dog there's a

739
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:41,520
pack

740
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,720
and it makes me wonder you know

741
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,960
it we'll never know maybe but the

742
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,720
reasons definitely man-made in my

743
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:50,159
opinion but the reasons that it was

744
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,640
there

745
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:53,360
unknown kind of cool and now you know

746
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:54,159
the

747
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:58,320
jokingly at this point

748
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:01,520
almost um makes me want to look at the

749
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:02,159
first

750
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:05,520
site more because if you didn't

751
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,320
it almost seems like a distractionary

752
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,320
joke

753
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,559
some kooky quack put it out there let's

754
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,159
forget about it the diesel brothers

755
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:16,399
found it and the rest is history

756
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,710
yeah it's interesting and uh it kind of

757
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:23,919
harkens back to

758
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:27,120
2001 space odyssey

759
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,559
a lot of people mentioned that it

760
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,399
certainly looks like that monolith

761
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,840
structure they had in there

762
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,760
maybe that's what's kind of captivated

763
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:35,039
so many people and

764
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:38,399
um you know drawn so many people's

765
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:39,520
interest

766
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,039
is it it really really looks a lot like

767
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,120
that monolithic structure they had on

768
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,200
2001 space odyssey but

769
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,720
yeah i think there's prosaic

770
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:50,640
explanations here but um

771
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,840
again very well thought out and planned

772
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,279
the way it's happened and maybe the

773
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:57,520
other two sites were just copycats

774
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,559
as some some people have said um

775
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:02,080
and i really wish we could get the image

776
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,919
to display on here but i don't seem to

777
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,480
be having any luck doing that

778
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,039
um i popped up another image and for

779
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:11,600
some reason that displayed

780
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,799
and this one is not but uh you know

781
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,720
this is kind of a new thing for me i've

782
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,200
never really displayed images on here so

783
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,520
uh unfortunately i was not able to get

784
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,039
it to display

785
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,960
i i wanted to get back to kind of the

786
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:26,960
discussion on the ufos

787
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,679
uh ufo sightings in utah we've had

788
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:30,960
several

789
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,720
um just over recent years oh yeah uh

790
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:37,279
and uh one of them and you know again i

791
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,399
hope i can get this

792
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,559
image to work and display here and i may

793
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,320
not be able to

794
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,559
we'll give it a try oh there we go okay

795
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:46,880
i think i figured it out here ryan

796
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,000
uh this was a you know this was

797
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:52,000
a and i'm not sure what kind of aircraft

798
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:53,279
this was i don't know if it was a

799
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:55,039
regular airliner

800
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:58,240
or more of a private plane that captured

801
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,200
this

802
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,159
but the pilot actually took a picture as

803
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:04,559
i understand it with his cell phone

804
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:07,600
of this cigar-shaped object

805
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,039
uh that uh was flying below them

806
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:13,679
uh and you know there's been other

807
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,080
people

808
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,159
make comments that there's probably a

809
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:18,960
prosaic explanation here for this

810
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:21,840
uh you know maybe it's another aircraft

811
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:23,360
i don't see any surfaces

812
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:26,240
i don't see any flight surfaces wings

813
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:26,960
you know

814
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:30,880
um horizontal or vertical stabilizer

815
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,600
i don't see any of that and i think it

816
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:35,360
was mentioned that there was no signs of

817
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:36,720
propulsion

818
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,559
uh the other thing interesting about

819
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:39,919
this sighting

820
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:43,279
is um it kind of looks similar to the

821
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:44,240
tic-tac-toe

822
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:47,200
the tic-tac ufo i almost said tic tac

823
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:48,159
toe

824
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:51,760
but the tic tac um navy video

825
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:54,399
uh it it's very similar in appearance

826
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,799
and

827
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,600
uh you know interesting they captured

828
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,600
this thing this is a mufon case

829
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:02,080
uh this was the the pilot was actually

830
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,640
flying

831
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,440
over zion national park and this thing

832
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,760
kind of seemed to be following them

833
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,440
and i don't know if have you seen the

834
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,519
video from this before ryan have you saw

835
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,679
this one before

836
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,679
this is new to me this this is actually

837
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:18,000
really cool yeah no this is new to me

838
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:21,919
um but yeah it looks like and and often

839
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:25,039
with these authoritative sightings and

840
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:26,559
when you have video if it was somebody

841
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,840
else it would just be you know this

842
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:29,279
guy's a hoaxer

843
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:32,880
but when it's a a pilot a

844
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:36,320
you know an officer of military types

845
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:39,200
or law enforcement it's taken more

846
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:40,159
seriously but

847
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:43,039
it seems like more often than not a lot

848
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,440
of these

849
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:46,080
just look like pure energy which is very

850
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:47,120
reminiscent of

851
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,399
biblical and uh middle eastern

852
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,640
and all kinds of you know indian vimanas

853
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,159
and you know that you name it when

854
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,240
you're just talking pure energy and

855
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,640
if if this is a reversed engineered

856
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,120
craft or some black project where

857
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,880
anti-gravity is being used i'm not

858
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:04,559
saying that doesn't exist

859
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,080
it's likely that it would look very

860
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,350
yeah that's interesting because uh it's

861
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:12,720
funny you you mentioned

862
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,399
energy because uh there's another uh ufo

863
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,240
sighting and this just happened back in

864
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,000
july here in utah

865
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,399
uh a guy in draper captured this and let

866
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:24,000
me see if i can get the image

867
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,279
over to display it and hopefully those

868
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,120
who are going to be watching this

869
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,679
on the youtube uh as a youtube video

870
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:33,200
will be able to see these

871
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:37,200
display and it was basically an

872
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:40,399
orb type object that appeared in the sky

873
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,559
and was kind of dancing around and let

874
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,720
me see if i can actually find the image

875
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:46,799
of this

876
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,159
and it was interesting because it was

877
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:52,799
it was out west i think the the the guy

878
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:53,360
who took

879
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:57,039
the the video of this it was out west

880
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:00,720
kind of facing out towards the the west

881
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:03,840
mountain range and

882
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:07,279
again it had this orb-like appearance to

883
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:08,800
it

884
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,159
um i don't

885
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:14,079
know that i have the image here okay

886
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,440
well anyways

887
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,599
that happened back in july i'm wondering

888
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:18,960
if have you seen

889
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:22,240
um video or photographic

890
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:25,440
evidence of these types of um sightings

891
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:35,030
yeah as is uh as early as last

892
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:39,119
night i have video sent to me from

893
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,079
um a very close friend of mine one of my

894
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,159
best friends he's actually

895
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,879
uh does head of security for stuff but

896
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,599
he

897
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,839
has some friends that anyway yes i'll

898
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:51,119
send you the videos just

899
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:54,079
from the uinta basin three of them um

900
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:54,399
it's

901
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:58,000
different in this is different people he

902
00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:58,720
didn't get a

903
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:01,920
gather them but yeah constantly this is

904
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,480
happening

905
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,240
yeah it could be you know a lot of times

906
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:06,640
this one of them is a line

907
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,440
you know reminds reminiscent of starlink

908
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:11,200
and

909
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:14,560
but you know others are not so it's it's

910
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,349
yeah and i've seen other uh video

911
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,839
footage of them as well and it just begs

912
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,240
the question what are you seeing there

913
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:29,200
um you know it's it kind of harkens back

914
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,560
to what you already said

915
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,640
and that is you know they kind of just

916
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:34,720
look like free-floating kind of

917
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:38,960
energy um balls of energy and and uh

918
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,839
you know it's not your typical disc like

919
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:45,119
object um but it's

920
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:47,599
very interesting i wanted to see if we

921
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,760
could display going back to the monolith

922
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,200
i'm going to see if i can get this to

923
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:53,280
come up there's the monolith

924
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,359
hopefully uh you can see that

925
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,000
you know if you looked at this uh you

926
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:02,000
know if you look at this just from the

927
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:03,280
picture

928
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:06,640
uh it looks you know just kind of like a

929
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:09,040
you know maybe stainless steel object

930
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,079
all one

931
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,880
piece uh and i just wanted to throw this

932
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,920
up there because i know we were trying

933
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:15,599
to throw it up before

934
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:18,960
i but other observers seem to

935
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:22,800
say that there was rivets present and

936
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,200
you know kind of like it was uh put

937
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:27,200
together with more than one surface so i

938
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,560
just wanted to throw that up there

939
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:29,599
because

940
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,960
i was having a little technical

941
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,119
difficulty doing that before

942
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,599
um i unfortunately i can't get the

943
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:37,680
draper image to display

944
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:40,960
um and we'll see i have another

945
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,640
interesting uh interesting it's actually

946
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:46,480
from a youtube video

947
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,760
of a perhaps a cryptid sighting

948
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,440
uh i don't know if you've seen this one

949
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:53,200
or not ryan or if you even want to

950
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,160
comment

951
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,760
i i think it was captured somewhere in

952
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:58,240
the united basin near skinwalker

953
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,000
uh i'll see if i can get this thing to

954
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,000
come up or not there it is

955
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:05,119
whoa let me back out here

956
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:08,079
that uh zoomed in a little bit too much

957
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,200
there you go

958
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:12,480
ryan have you seen this one oh can you

959
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:13,760
see that on the screen

960
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,040
yeah i've seen it yep

961
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,680
okay um i thought this was kind of

962
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,280
interesting some people could say this

963
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:23,520
is uh just some sort of dog

964
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,240
uh when i looked at it i can't find it

965
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,079
i certainly don't see any explanation

966
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:32,320
for what uh what kind of animal this

967
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:33,040
could be

968
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,359
um you know unless it's just i mean it's

969
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:37,280
not a coyote

970
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:40,560
uh it doesn't look like a wolf could it

971
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,440
be some sort of

972
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:43,680
cat i suppose i don't know what it

973
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:46,640
what's your thoughts on this one

974
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,760
i'm not i'm very familiar with i'm very

975
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:51,680
familiar with this video i think it's

976
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,760
one of the most encouraging videos

977
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,000
from you know people have commented that

978
00:38:01,109 --> 00:38:00,320
it was oh why is it so shaky why how did

979
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,119
he have

980
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:03,200
i think it's epic video yeah i know the

981
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:04,960
person that caught it his name is cody

982
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,839
to be

983
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:08,000
and he was working in a professional

984
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:09,280
capacity at the time

985
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,640
as a uh wildlife i believe wildlife

986
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,800
uh for the tribe officer i'm not sure i

987
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,240
could be wrong on the

988
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,320
the professional capacity but he was he

989
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,839
was working professionally and looking

990
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,920
for things of this nature and

991
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,599
these things are so fast which you can

992
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:25,440
tell in the video it's either moving or

993
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:26,720
it's not moving

994
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:30,880
and um it in my opinion

995
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:33,920
i don't know cody's personal opinion

996
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,880
but i would i would love to know it in

997
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:39,040
my personal opinion

998
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:43,280
what we have here is a feral

999
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:47,680
natural animal which has

1000
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:50,079
um taken the place of something that

1001
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,200
used to be there

1002
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,520
and what i mean by that is this is a

1003
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:54,960
phenomenal creature

1004
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:57,760
i would guess that this is some kind of

1005
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:58,480
mastiff

1006
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:02,400
mix which has probably lived in the wild

1007
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:06,240
and by wild i mean the mesas

1008
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,520
and the ridgelines that are purportedly

1009
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:11,119
haunted in the basin

1010
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,480
and they're purportedly haunted for a

1011
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:15,760
reason because

1012
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:19,359
of animals like this so it is

1013
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,720
um kind of a self-perpetuating truth

1014
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:24,720
if you have a harsh environment where

1015
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,920
only the toughest

1016
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,920
things can survive you're going to end

1017
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,520
up with just the toughest things whether

1018
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:31,599
they're paranormal in nature or not

1019
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,040
this is i believe rational depicted

1020
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,160
feral wild what they call res dog

1021
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:40,400
in the area which is not something you

1022
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,520
want to mess with and

1023
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:43,920
often times you'll come across a pack of

1024
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,720
these things

1025
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:47,040
not necessarily this large but there's

1026
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,720
packs of these and trust me when i say

1027
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,480
you'd probably have a better chance with

1028
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:52,560
a pack of wolves because these things

1029
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:57,040
are brutal and these res dogs

1030
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:01,520
are for all intents and purposes just

1031
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:04,319
predators an alpha predator which has

1032
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:05,599
taken the spot of an

1033
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,640
alpha predator and in my opinion

1034
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,640
the alpha predator that it's taken the

1035
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:11,839
spot of

1036
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,720
is uh quite possibly the paranormal

1037
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:17,040
aspect we're discussing but because of

1038
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:20,319
heightened interest in it it

1039
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:23,920
um tends to back down a little bit in

1040
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:26,319
into the recesses of the actual

1041
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,280
environment

1042
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:29,359
if you believe in that sort of thing and

1043
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:30,560
a natural

1044
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,079
component fills the gap in addition

1045
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,720
wolves used to go through this area it

1046
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,319
got gray wolves

1047
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:41,359
and if you go further back a lot of

1048
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:42,400
other creatures

1049
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:45,680
that are even scarier and

1050
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:48,960
this area is still more or less if you

1051
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:49,599
if you take an

1052
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:52,079
80 mile radius of the basin and

1053
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:53,119
incorporate that

1054
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:56,319
into uh the wolf population and their

1055
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,359
routes

1056
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,280
it is through there they go up through

1057
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,760
the uintas

1058
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,359
into yellowstone and such and they come

1059
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:05,040
back down through

1060
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:08,079
parts of utah into northeastern utah

1061
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:09,280
into colorado

1062
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,640
so with a recent proposition that was

1063
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:13,680
passed

1064
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:17,200
they are going to actually put

1065
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:20,079
gray wolves into the wild in colorado

1066
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,280
and we will very

1067
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:24,560
likely see more of the natural component

1068
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:25,440
come through this

1069
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:28,400
area uh migrate through this area first

1070
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,200
it a little bit

1071
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,440
maybe then a little more and i don't

1072
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:33,280
know how it's going to we'll have to see

1073
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,000
how the dance

1074
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,920
between the res dogs and the actual

1075
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:37,200
packs of actual

1076
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,560
predators is going to work out i know

1077
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:41,119
the ranchers aren't happy but

1078
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,880
i think it's important to try to protect

1079
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:44,880
some of these animals

1080
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,440
even the res dogs i believe have kind of

1081
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:49,680
a place i mean they've really carved out

1082
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:53,040
a niche for themselves which is you know

1083
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:57,200
wild interesting now have you actually

1084
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,480
experienced these things

1085
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:00,960
uh when you've been investigating out in

1086
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,000
areas in the united basin

1087
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,960
yeah and um that's why i say the res

1088
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,240
dogs are unpredictable

1089
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,720
i've experienced them with other people

1090
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:12,000
and

1091
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,839
component is almost more approachable

1092
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:19,280
than this because this is so

1093
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,319
unpredictable these

1094
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:22,319
dogs are going to do one of two things

1095
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,349
and when they're in a pack

1096
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:31,520
you know that so whatever the alpha does

1097
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:33,760
the rest are just gonna blindly do

1098
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,880
and it's it's it's spooky because

1099
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:39,040
uh i haven't had them charged yet but

1100
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:40,800
i've heard stories so

1101
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:44,000
it it it's very likely impossible that

1102
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,280
they do this because they

1103
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:46,960
take down huge animals that's what they

1104
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:51,589
now ryan i want to talk a little bit you

1105
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,640
you've

1106
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,960
spent a lot of time in utah you you used

1107
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:57,040
to actually reside here you now make i

1108
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:57,599
think las

1109
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,119
vegas your home uh now do you come back

1110
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,640
to utah a lot are you still

1111
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:05,359
investigating uh around the uinta basin

1112
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:06,240
uh

1113
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,760
are you are you coming back here

1114
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:09,760
frequently i thought i lost yeah i heard

1115
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:10,079
you

1116
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:17,920
more of a yes i come back often um

1117
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:20,960
monthly and it's it's

1118
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:25,119
a it's just an area that's special to me

1119
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:28,800
but it is fascinating just fascinating

1120
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:34,160
um i i feel drawn to the area but

1121
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:37,680
it's not for the you know reasons that

1122
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:40,400
a lot would expect there's a lot of

1123
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:41,119
peace

1124
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,079
that comes from the area there is

1125
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:48,240
there's other things that come with with

1126
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:50,079
it a ruggedness

1127
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:53,359
in the landscape it's a different kind

1128
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,400
of beauty you know i've i've

1129
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,720
it's hard to explain but yeah it's a

1130
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,160
place i go back too often

1131
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,160
and uh it holds a special place in my

1132
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,400
heart

1133
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,400
yeah i'm wondering if you could just

1134
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:08,160
comment quickly you cover this

1135
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,160
in your book so uh in utah ufo ranch

1136
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,880
these lights are drones that you've

1137
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:15,760
experienced

1138
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:18,800
out there uh and they seem to be you

1139
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:20,000
know intelligent

1140
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,839
they seem to follow people

1141
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,680
i think you've experienced it can you

1142
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,440
offer a comment kind of what you've

1143
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:29,040
experienced with those

1144
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,319
drones or strange orb type lights of

1145
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:34,000
energy

1146
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,839
yeah i would say that they are very

1147
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:37,520
similar to what you're describing they

1148
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:38,560
are just uh

1149
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:41,920
orbs of energy that are

1150
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:45,040
roaming the landscape so to speak at odd

1151
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:46,560
heights

1152
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:50,560
human

1153
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:54,079
and they are they seem under intelligent

1154
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:54,720
control

1155
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:58,240
so it's fascinating i'm always drawn to

1156
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,200
them

1157
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,400
uh but they are sometimes drawn to you

1158
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,800
so it's it's there's instances where

1159
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:06,400
they actually follow people

1160
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:09,920
chase people and itself

1161
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:12,400
could become more than a display at that

1162
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,190
yeah thanks for commenting on that yeah

1163
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:18,880
i thought that was interesting

1164
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,920
aspect of uh your experiences out there

1165
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,040
were these um

1166
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,920
strange balls of energy or lights and

1167
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,599
there was also a

1168
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:29,760
a story about when the sherman ranchers

1169
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:30,800
were on the

1170
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:34,319
the property which is now skin walker

1171
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,520
ranch

1172
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,359
that they witnessed these as well and

1173
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,880
there was a story about

1174
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:41,200
and i want to say it was their two dogs

1175
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:42,079
actually

1176
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:45,680
were chasing a couple of these objects

1177
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:48,400
and uh i don't think they ever came back

1178
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,800
uh

1179
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,800
do you are you aware of that particular

1180
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:52,880
story

1181
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,040
yeah it is it is a it is a actual event

1182
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,680
i know that they're well getting to the

1183
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,040
story

1184
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:04,079
it is it's interesting that canines in

1185
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:05,280
particular

1186
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:08,560
seem to be the best bio

1187
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,000
sensors or sensors in general to

1188
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,319
this high strangeness that sometimes

1189
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:16,400
manifests as a canine

1190
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,119
but the the history and the evidence

1191
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:24,480
not only in the general you in a basin

1192
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:25,200
and

1193
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:29,440
countries this goes back

1194
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:32,960
millennia where dogs

1195
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,440
have been attributed as being the first

1196
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:40,319
on a property to be aware of a

1197
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:41,920
quote-unquote gin if you're in the

1198
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:43,119
middle east

1199
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:46,640
or possibly the fey if you're in europe

1200
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:49,680
and i think that the energy

1201
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:53,760
is most likely similar if not

1202
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,520
possibly the same

1203
00:47:02,710 --> 00:46:59,599
interesting yeah i think it's kind of a

1204
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:02,720
good segue into another thing people

1205
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,599
experience here in utah many people have

1206
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,359
experienced and that is

1207
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:09,839
uh bigfoot sightings we've had a lot of

1208
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,800
them here in utah

1209
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,640
yeah all right we were talking just a

1210
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,319
little bit before we started recording

1211
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:16,160
here a little bit about the the bigfoot

1212
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:17,200
sightings

1213
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:20,240
um i've got one i want to talk about in

1214
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,200
particular

1215
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:24,160
for starters uh and this is one that

1216
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:25,680
happened

1217
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,280
uh just in october and uh hopefully uh

1218
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:32,240
you can see that on the screen there uh

1219
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,359
you know i've got it

1220
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:36,000
encircled in red there but this was a a

1221
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:36,960
deer hunter

1222
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:40,079
uh and his son up here in logan canyon

1223
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,640
spotted this uh creature and this is um

1224
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:46,880
rmso is the one that is investigating

1225
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:49,040
this the rocky mountain sasquatch

1226
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,400
organization

1227
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:53,520
and uh they were about 300 yards away

1228
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:56,880
uh filming this um filming this

1229
00:48:02,549 --> 00:47:59,920
uh bigfoot what appears to be a bigfoot

1230
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,559
with their cell phone i think you know

1231
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,880
they zoomed in on it a little bit

1232
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:06,800
uh the comments from rocky mountain

1233
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:08,960
sasquatch organization is

1234
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:11,760
one this is deer hunting season uh so

1235
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:12,800
why is a

1236
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,559
person

1237
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,480
you know dressed in dark clothing be

1238
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,400
wandering around out there during deer

1239
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,040
hunting season without any orange on

1240
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:25,119
first of all would not be smart to do

1241
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,480
that at all

1242
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,280
um second of all they commented that uh

1243
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:31,440
you know very very broad shoulders

1244
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:34,720
like other sasquatch sightings

1245
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,240
very very long arms and natural movement

1246
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,480
that has been attributed to other

1247
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,800
bigfoot or sasquatch sightings

1248
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,880
so they actually watched this thing for

1249
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:46,880
about 10 minutes

1250
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,640
wandering along that trail and

1251
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:53,040
and then they they simply left they

1252
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,240
departed

1253
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,880
the thing i find strange ryan is i've

1254
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:58,480
noticed in a lot of these bigfoot

1255
00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:59,280
sightings and

1256
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,839
i've got a few more here if we do um

1257
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:03,520
happen to have time to

1258
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,640
to get further into these other cases is

1259
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:08,559
people will go back to where they

1260
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:11,359
saw these where they cited these these

1261
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,400
creatures

1262
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:14,400
and they if you will and you go back and

1263
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:16,160
there's no footprints or any

1264
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:19,599
signs that they were there wondering

1265
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,319
what's your

1266
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,400
thoughts are if you have any comments

1267
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,079
about that

1268
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,720
i you know it's it's hard to say it

1269
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,000
looks like a really

1270
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:31,440
good video different from the majority

1271
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,880
and uh i i've dealt with this group

1272
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,319
before and they

1273
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:38,640
seem to be an up and up group on er er

1274
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,680
you know

1275
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,240
honestly report everything that they see

1276
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:44,880
that being said uh

1277
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,160
it's it's uh it's unknown the

1278
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:50,480
i think the sasquatch phenomenon is

1279
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,599
another

1280
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,760
and i hate to be i sound like the crazy

1281
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:55,280
man in the room but in a way i think i'm

1282
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:56,800
the rational voice in the room because

1283
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:58,240
the sasquatch is another thing that

1284
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:59,920
really should be there

1285
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,319
in our environment um these massive

1286
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:03,920
cities like you see behind me

1287
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:06,960
really shouldn't but um you know

1288
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:10,319
a creature like the sasquatch there's

1289
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,280
that the historic evidence of this or

1290
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,359
similar creatures like gigantopithecus

1291
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:18,160
actually filling this niche that

1292
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,440
apparently

1293
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,599
is either being filled on a dimensional

1294
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:23,680
basis according to some

1295
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:26,400
or on a real level real time basis

1296
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:27,839
according to others

1297
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,960
and uh maybe both

1298
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:33,040
yeah that's interesting so i had ron

1299
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,319
moorhead on the show

1300
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,960
a while back uh his latest book is

1301
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,480
quantum bigfoot

1302
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:41,200
and of course he along with a few other

1303
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:41,839
of his

1304
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:44,960
um hunters

1305
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,559
uh slash maybe even researchers

1306
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,359
uh were responsible for capturing back

1307
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,119
in the 70s the famous

1308
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,760
samurai i think they refer to him as the

1309
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:58,000
samurai recordings where there was

1310
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,760
and i'm not sure if you're familiar with

1311
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,200
those but

1312
00:51:04,589 --> 00:51:02,960
you know one really believes that there

1313
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:04,599
may be a

1314
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:08,000
inter-dimensional or a some sort of

1315
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:09,680
supernatural

1316
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,720
explanation for these sightings and

1317
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,200
again uh if you hearken back to

1318
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:18,000
you know the native americans and you

1319
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:19,040
know they

1320
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,960
some of the native americans actually

1321
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,559
believed there was a

1322
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:25,440
supernatural component to these bigfoot

1323
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,400
sightings

1324
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,400
so it does beg the question why are

1325
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:30,400
people seeing these things and

1326
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:31,839
you know there have even been cases

1327
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,680
where they disappear right before their

1328
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:34,800
eyes

1329
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:37,920
uh and there's oftentimes no tracks

1330
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:38,400
found

1331
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,599
other times they do find what appear to

1332
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,520
be perhaps tracks

1333
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:45,520
maybe there's a couple of different

1334
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:47,359
explanations for what may be going on

1335
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,079
here

1336
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:51,359
creature

1337
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:54,640
uh maybe there's also some that

1338
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:57,440
are have an inter-dimensional aspect to

1339
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,559
them i don't know

1340
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,480
i'm just throwing it out there and ron

1341
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,400
moorhead certainly thinks that

1342
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,480
there may be an inter-dimensional aspect

1343
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:06,720
to this i wanted to throw one more

1344
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,640
up here i know this is kind of blurry

1345
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:12,720
this image but this is a video

1346
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:15,520
um somebody captured this from their

1347
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:16,400
backyard

1348
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,000
using it very very high powered scope

1349
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,640
and uh actually recorded video of it as

1350
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,680
well

1351
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,839
as you can see pretty rough weather

1352
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:27,839
conditions and this is uh

1353
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:31,680
up on i want to say wasatch

1354
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,960
uh and there's been reportedly based on

1355
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,520
what rmso has said there's been other

1356
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:39,520
sightings in this location

1357
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:42,880
but uh it looks fairly large

1358
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,760
if you watch the video it's kind of just

1359
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:47,040
walking slowly

1360
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,319
up this hill uh and

1361
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,839
you know it's almost like blizzard

1362
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:54,319
conditions so why a person would be

1363
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,520
up there you know walking around

1364
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,200
up on that peak in those kind of

1365
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:01,200
conditions

1366
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:03,040
you know it takes the question why would

1367
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,400
somebody be doing that

1368
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:06,000
i just throw this up here this was in

1369
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:07,920
march of 2019

1370
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:11,119
another case um there's been a lot of

1371
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:12,800
fairly recent cases

1372
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,440
of bigfoot sightings even here i'm in

1373
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,040
ogden utah

1374
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:20,160
and uh we had the rmso also investigated

1375
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,920
this case that somebody spotted what

1376
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:24,160
they believed was a bigfoot

1377
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:27,520
right above uh the right above uh the

1378
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,000
oaks

1379
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:30,559
restaurant in oregon canyon there

1380
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,240
walking along the trail now i don't

1381
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:34,319
think there was any video or any any

1382
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,079
photo evidence of that

1383
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,400
but we've had a lot of bigfoot sightings

1384
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:40,160
just over recent years

1385
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:41,599
and uh that's just a couple of them

1386
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:47,349
you're in a proverbial hot spot up there

1387
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:48,240
in ogden

1388
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,839
there's a number of uh sasquatch slash

1389
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:53,599
bigfoot wild man

1390
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,960
wendigo whatever you want to call it

1391
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,200
sightings mostly

1392
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:59,680
attributed to bigfoot however in that

1393
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:00,319
area

1394
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,160
uh up by where the trappist monks were

1395
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:06,880
in new heart sorry eden then there was

1396
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:07,520
the

1397
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,440
just north

1398
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,160
east of og or i'm sorry east of ogden in

1399
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:16,079
ogden canyon where

1400
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,280
a bigfoot was spotted and

1401
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,839
if i'm not mistaken curry there was even

1402
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:23,440
some lagoon

1403
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,950
oh wow interesting yeah there's

1404
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:31,760
certainly been

1405
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,880
many many cases reported i

1406
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:37,200
i wanted to kind of switch gears a

1407
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,960
little bit here

1408
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,880
we are talking about all things strange

1409
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,720
in utah and uh

1410
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:44,799
i think i'd be remiss if we didn't at

1411
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,000
least talk about some of the um

1412
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,160
reported haunted activity i've been

1413
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,720
investigating it for a number of years

1414
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:55,680
and uh one particular place that i find

1415
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:56,640
interesting is

1416
00:55:03,030 --> 00:54:59,760
uh historic 25th street in ogden

1417
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:03,040
and uh i'll see if i can get a display

1418
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:03,280
an

1419
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:07,839
image here um

1420
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:11,119
but a lot of a lot of locations there

1421
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:12,319
there have been repo

1422
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:15,599
reported haunted activity going on

1423
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:18,079
uh four different locations that i've

1424
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:19,680
actually investigated

1425
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,359
in a long historic 25th street

1426
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,920
uh and one of them is union station i

1427
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:27,440
don't know if you're familiar with some

1428
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:28,240
of the

1429
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:31,280
reported activity on 25th street

1430
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,880
union station is an interesting one um

1431
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:36,880
and in just a minute i'll see if i can

1432
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:38,240
actually display an

1433
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,599
image of 25th street but uh there's been

1434
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,440
a couple of them that i've investigated

1435
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,880
actually i've investigated four

1436
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:47,200
different locations there

1437
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:50,559
and there's so much history behind 25th

1438
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,040
street

1439
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,920
it was a you know union station was a

1440
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:54,880
rail hub

1441
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:59,680
east to west and west and east across

1442
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:01,520
the continental

1443
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:04,799
a lot of people stopped over there

1444
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:08,079
in the early 1900s there was a lot of

1445
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:11,599
underground gambling going on

1446
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:14,000
during prohibition there was bootlegging

1447
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:15,280
going on

1448
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,720
uh and just a lot of um you know just a

1449
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:19,760
lot of uh there

1450
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:23,119
there were uh there were also

1451
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:27,440
um prostitution rings going on

1452
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:30,880
uh along electric avenue uh just a lot

1453
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,280
of interesting stuff going on

1454
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,079
and a lot of interesting locations along

1455
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:38,559
25th street that i've investigated any

1456
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:41,040
any uh any stories that you've heard or

1457
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:42,880
any experience with that ryan

1458
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,000
with 25th street not too

1459
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:48,240
much i'm not an expert on that at all i

1460
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:49,359
did stay at a

1461
00:56:56,829 --> 00:56:53,119
um hotel there i want to say it was

1462
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:56,839
the uh it was quite haunted actually

1463
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:00,559
um it was on the east side of the street

1464
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:03,760
i want to say it was on ben lomond

1465
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,440
yep ben lomond hotel okay

1466
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:09,839
okay yeah so uh ben lomond is an

1467
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:10,960
interesting

1468
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,920
location as well there's a lot of uh you

1469
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:15,520
know reported

1470
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,079
you know haunted even people that have

1471
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,400
saw operations there i've actually had

1472
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:22,480
the opportunity at one time

1473
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,640
a couple of years back to do a little

1474
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,799
bit of investigating there and

1475
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:28,799
at this point it's absolute absolutely

1476
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:31,040
off limits to anybody

1477
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,720
wanting to go investigate as i

1478
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,240
understand it they're turning a lot of

1479
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:36,799
the rooms into private residences

1480
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:39,520
so um it's even going to be more off

1481
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:40,880
limits

1482
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:44,480
but we did capture some interesting evps

1483
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,599
and all relay one interesting story one

1484
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:49,280
of my experiences

1485
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,720
it was just me and one other

1486
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:52,400
investigator we were

1487
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:53,680
you know of course you probably heard

1488
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:56,559
the stories about the tunnel system

1489
00:58:02,470 --> 00:57:59,920
under 25th street uh there were

1490
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:02,480
reportedly tunnels running all the way

1491
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,760
from union station

1492
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:05,680
all the way up to ben lomond i can't

1493
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,720
confirm that what i can confirm is there

1494
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:11,200
were at least some tunnels

1495
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:14,720
underneath uh 25th street

1496
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:17,920
in certain points and one was another

1497
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,880
location that i

1498
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:20,480
investigated i'll get back to the story

1499
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:22,079
in just a minute i know i jumped off the

1500
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:23,760
story i was talking about

1501
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:26,559
uh a place called making sense

1502
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:27,599
employment i believe

1503
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:30,880
uh uh it's a guy larry um

1504
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,760
that uh i know and as i have actually

1505
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,160
investigated at that location in the

1506
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:38,079
basement there there's a couple of sill

1507
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:39,119
doors

1508
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:42,480
what was the

1509
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,680
tunnel system under there and uh

1510
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:47,119
larry's place has had a lot of

1511
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:49,280
interesting activity he reported a lot

1512
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:51,599
especially when he moved into the place

1513
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:54,400
uh he was renovating he experienced a

1514
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:56,000
lot of activity

1515
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:57,680
i'd been there and investigated on a

1516
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:00,319
couple of the different occasions and

1517
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,000
have experienced unusual stuff uh

1518
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,119
we've we've captured evps phantom noises

1519
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,280
footsteps going on upstairs when we've

1520
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:11,599
been downstairs and nobody's up there

1521
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:14,240
uh interesting place getting back to the

1522
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:15,920
ben lomond story me and another

1523
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:16,880
investigator

1524
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:19,520
were walking along what i think was part

1525
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:21,040
of that tunnel network

1526
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:23,920
which partially goes under 25th street

1527
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:26,559
and i can only describe what i felt like

1528
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:30,559
was a wall of energy i ran into

1529
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,799
interestingly enough i had a voice

1530
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,040
recorder i was holding

1531
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,520
and uh as i went back a couple weeks

1532
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:39,680
later and was reviewing the audio from

1533
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:40,720
that

1534
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,359
incident i and it was right when i had

1535
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,440
told the other investigator i had just

1536
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:47,440
experienced some weird energy

1537
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:50,319
i captured this male guttural voice that

1538
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:52,079
sounded like it was right next to the

1539
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:53,440
recorder

1540
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,760
um you know when i had had that

1541
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:57,839
experience so kind of confirms

1542
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,040
or you know helps to uh

1543
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:03,520
verify that i actually did experience

1544
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,319
something there

1545
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,000
now the other investigator didn't feel

1546
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:07,680
the energy i did but

1547
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:10,799
you know the evp i captured there um you

1548
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,599
know

1549
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:13,520
in concert with the experience i had

1550
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:14,720
there was was pretty

1551
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:17,680
uh pretty significant i'll relay another

1552
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,520
story and this is actually a union

1553
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,280
station story

1554
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:24,000
uh we were actually doing an event there

1555
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:25,520
me and the paranormal group that i was

1556
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:28,240
working with were uh

1557
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,280
working the um uh i don't remember the

1558
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,359
the actual name it was over halloween

1559
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,040
time frame we were actually

1560
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,920
helping run tours at union station and

1561
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:39,599
this is back when they still allow

1562
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:42,720
people to go down into the balls uh

1563
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,319
you know we were able to take people

1564
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,319
down into the vaults um

1565
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:49,119
down in the basement of ben of uh union

1566
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,480
station

1567
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:52,480
uh we had another person that was

1568
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:54,079
actually volunteered to work with our

1569
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,240
group she wasn't part of the group

1570
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,400
but upstairs she was taking some photos

1571
01:01:01,750 --> 01:01:00,079
and it's kind of like a

1572
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:01,760
almost like a ballroom there's a big

1573
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:04,319
chandelier and it was one of the places

1574
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:05,119
where we

1575
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,799
one of the stops when we were doing

1576
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,319
tours with people

1577
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:10,720
she was taking photos up there and

1578
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:12,880
actually one of the photos she captured

1579
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,720
was quite interesting and she came

1580
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,559
when she came back downstairs after

1581
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,319
doing the tour

1582
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,160
she shared the photo with me on her

1583
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,000
phone and it was quite interesting

1584
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:24,240
because it looked like an

1585
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:28,400
actual a female wearing kind of period

1586
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:30,400
clothing like a dress

1587
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:34,160
there was no head uh just kind of a

1588
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:37,200
an image of a neck and a torso

1589
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:39,680
waist maybe a little bit of legs and

1590
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:40,400
that was it

1591
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:43,440
the interesting thing is she showed me

1592
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:44,880
the picture and then she showed a

1593
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:45,680
picture she took

1594
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,200
after it and there was absolutely

1595
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,440
nothing there like just a few seconds

1596
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:51,599
after she took another photo

1597
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:54,160
nothing was there so um i've

1598
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:55,920
investigated that location a couple of

1599
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,359
times as well

1600
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:59,359
we've captured some interesting evps

1601
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:01,760
there's a lot of stories

1602
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,039
behind union station a lot of

1603
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,960
groups that have investigated there and

1604
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:08,400
some interesting activity that's

1605
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:09,599
happened there so

1606
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:11,520
you know like i said i'd be remiss if i

1607
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:13,599
didn't mention historic 25th street and

1608
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,880
some of the things that have happened

1609
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:16,559
there

1610
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:18,960
uh another location that i wanted to

1611
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:21,280
talk about you may be familiar with this

1612
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:22,799
as well ryan and that is

1613
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:27,760
of the um the mountain meadows massacre

1614
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:30,880
uh now that is near st george

1615
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:34,079
utah uh southern utah are you familiar

1616
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:36,480
with that location

1617
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:39,839
i am familiar with uh the area and the

1618
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:42,160
story it's an interesting location i

1619
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:44,000
haven't seen anything there myself but

1620
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:49,750
yeah and i'm going to uh pull up an

1621
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:51,280
image here

1622
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:53,520
um hopefully we can get that display

1623
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:54,799
there we go

1624
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,160
um and that keeps disappearing

1625
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:00,960
yeah so this is uh near southern utah i

1626
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:03,520
have not visited this location myself

1627
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:07,359
um and uh there was 140 people killed

1628
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:08,400
and i you know i'm not

1629
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:11,200
real knowledgeable about the history of

1630
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:12,799
what happened uh this

1631
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:16,480
this happened in i believe 1857

1632
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:20,160
between some mormon settlers

1633
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,599
and some other passerbys uh pioneers

1634
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:25,680
that were traveling through the area

1635
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:26,720
i think it was somewhere in the

1636
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,119
neighborhood 140 people were killed

1637
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:32,160
in this massacre uh and uh

1638
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:34,400
there's a it's interesting because

1639
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:35,520
there's been a lot of

1640
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:37,520
reported haunted activity at this

1641
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:38,640
location

1642
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:41,839
um some of it has been people seeing

1643
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:45,119
strange apparitions uh other people

1644
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:46,640
reported hearing

1645
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:50,559
the cries of children women and children

1646
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:54,480
screams and cries so kind of these

1647
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:57,599
disembodied voices

1648
01:04:01,190 --> 01:04:00,240
there at the location many paranormal

1649
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:01,200
groups have of course

1650
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:04,559
visited this location uh interesting and

1651
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:07,760
sad history behind this but uh

1652
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,079
there does seem to be a paranormal uh

1653
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:12,640
component behind this story as well

1654
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:13,920
ryan what have you heard about this

1655
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:16,240
location

1656
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:18,079
it's interesting that you say yeah it's

1657
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:19,200
interesting that there might be a

1658
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:21,200
paranormal component because

1659
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:24,319
it's i've heard various theories and of

1660
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:25,359
the history

1661
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:28,799
and uh the bottom line is

1662
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:31,680
um it's just a horrible tragedy tragedy

1663
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:33,359
no matter what happened

1664
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,480
and um it does bring about

1665
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:38,880
other reminiscent stories that are

1666
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:40,000
attributed to quote

1667
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:43,520
unquote skin walkers or shape shifters

1668
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:46,880
at least in the same general time period

1669
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:50,160
um because you would get these reports

1670
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:52,640
of massive amounts or groups

1671
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:57,119
just decimated uh and massacred

1672
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:59,119
for lack of a better word without any

1673
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:00,720
rhyme or reason sometimes

1674
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:02,880
in the middle of the night and i don't

1675
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,000
know like this

1676
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:06,319
is just an eerie sight i don't know if

1677
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:08,319
it was a miscommunication if it was a

1678
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:10,160
couple of groups that just ran into each

1679
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:11,200
other in the middle of the night and

1680
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:12,160
overreacted

1681
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:15,359
it's so hard to tell but um there's all

1682
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:16,880
kinds of theories about it and it's

1683
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:18,319
really something that if you haven't

1684
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:22,559
looked into it's worth looking into

1685
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:26,319
yeah it certainly is a an interesting um

1686
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:27,680
you know there's interesting stories

1687
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:29,680
behind the location how much of it is

1688
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:32,000
legend uh in terms of

1689
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:35,440
you know the paranormal experiences or

1690
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:38,079
you know it's hard to tell i certainly

1691
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:38,480
would

1692
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:40,480
be interested at some point visiting the

1693
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:42,160
location i haven't had the opportunity

1694
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,280
to yet

1695
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:45,200
another interesting location i want to

1696
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:46,799
talk about real quickly and

1697
01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:48,640
uh one of the reasons why this is

1698
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:50,240
interesting is there's also a lot of

1699
01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:52,079
legend behind it and i'll throw up a

1700
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:52,880
picture here

1701
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:00,710
let's see looks like a cross

1702
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:03,039
yeah just just in terms of the location

1703
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:04,000
um this is

1704
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:08,079
this is also a very very very um

1705
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,839
popular uh desk location in utah up here

1706
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:13,440
in northern utah and it's actually

1707
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:15,440
called case cross

1708
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:17,599
and uh the reason why i bring up this

1709
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:19,440
location is because

1710
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,839
uh one there's an interesting story

1711
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:23,760
behind this location

1712
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:27,039
uh that now this is a known polygamist

1713
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:28,000
family that

1714
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:31,039
um owned the property here

1715
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:34,559
and uh the

1716
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:37,280
the uh reason for the cross being

1717
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,480
erected

1718
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:40,640
uh there's some story behind that as

1719
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,319
well now there was a

1720
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:44,160
a cult some people call it cold

1721
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:45,440
practitioner

1722
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:48,960
krishna venta was his name and uh

1723
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:50,720
you know the the name of the family who

1724
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:52,319
owned this land um

1725
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,359
right now is escaping me but the

1726
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:57,680
the guy who actually owned this land had

1727
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:00,799
a connection to krishna venta

1728
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:04,160
and some of his teachings and uh he

1729
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:05,520
actually erected this

1730
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,720
cross uh supposedly in honor of uh

1731
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:10,480
christian aventa who was killed

1732
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:12,640
by the way by some of his own followers

1733
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:15,119
back in 1958

1734
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:17,599
and uh you know again this location has

1735
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:18,240
a

1736
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:20,319
cult following if you will there's been

1737
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:21,520
a lot of

1738
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:23,440
teenagers that have went to this site a

1739
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:27,039
lot of uh stories of haunted activity

1740
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:30,480
even some supposed dark kind of activity

1741
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:32,480
going on there there's other

1742
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:35,280
i think more urban legends associated

1743
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:36,240
with this site

1744
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:39,440
um this is of course in kaysville utah

1745
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:42,079
ghost adventures went here and uh

1746
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:45,359
actually did an episode at this location

1747
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:47,119
now uh the interesting thing about this

1748
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:49,200
location as well is the cross was

1749
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:51,599
eventually destroyed

1750
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:56,319
in 1992 nobody seems to know exactly why

1751
01:08:02,789 --> 01:07:59,760
um there's some speculation if you will

1752
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:02,799
about why it was destroyed some believe

1753
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:05,039
possibly it was the property owner the

1754
01:08:07,990 --> 01:08:06,079
guy who owned the prop

1755
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:08,000
that owns the property you know i don't

1756
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:10,240
even know if he's still there or even

1757
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:12,640
alive today may have destroyed the cross

1758
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:13,680
to discourage

1759
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:16,560
vandals or teenagers from going and

1760
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:17,440
doing

1761
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:20,080
whatever they would do at this site

1762
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:21,920
there was stories of satanic

1763
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:25,440
satanic rituals going on uh i've got a

1764
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:25,839
friend

1765
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:27,920
uh jennifer jones who does the dead

1766
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:29,199
history

1767
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:31,520
dot com website she she delves into

1768
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:33,679
these stories a lot and she also helps

1769
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:34,719
kind of

1770
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:38,560
um put some some truth to a lot of

1771
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,960
these urban legends if you will and she

1772
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:42,400
does a lot of them

1773
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:44,159
she discovers a lot of these in and

1774
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:45,520
around uh

1775
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:48,080
you know ogden and northern utah as well

1776
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:49,839
and this is one of them

1777
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,560
uh whether or not there was any truth to

1778
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,719
some of the paranormal activity that was

1779
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,560
going on at this location

1780
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,799
it certainly got a lot of attention

1781
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,640
especially after ghost hunters had

1782
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:02,000
visited there

1783
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:04,239
um in fact they did an episode i just i

1784
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:06,960
think just two or three years ago there

1785
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:10,000
and uh one of the comments that uh

1786
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:13,920
aaron made during the the episode is

1787
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,400
what's going on with utah what the heck

1788
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:18,000
is going on with utah

1789
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,000
he tells zach you know there's just

1790
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,560
trained stuff going on in utah

1791
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,040
so uh kind of funny uh it's an

1792
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:27,199
interesting location just uh

1793
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:29,199
just based on kind of the history there

1794
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:30,560
and um

1795
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:32,799
some of the purported activity that's

1796
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,799
happened there i've never visited it

1797
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:37,040
myself it's private property you can't

1798
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:38,080
go there

1799
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:41,839
they actually do a a haunted event now

1800
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,960
over halloween there i think so um i

1801
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:46,080
don't know if you've heard anything

1802
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,440
about this location

1803
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:49,679
uh ryan but you know kind of some

1804
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:51,120
interesting history and

1805
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:57,030
yeah i heard a little bit about it uh i

1806
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:57,679
did

1807
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:00,960
um i have not been to the location but i

1808
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,480
did hear a little bit about it

1809
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:04,320
and some of the events and things of

1810
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:06,080
that nature from i think some of the

1811
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:07,679
people that were doing them

1812
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:09,760
but it does look interesting it

1813
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,280
definitely is look

1814
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:13,040
i mean it's a shame that the cross is no

1815
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:15,120
longer there but i'm just a sucker for

1816
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:21,510
yeah and uh again the story behind it is

1817
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,040
it's still kind of a mystery nobody

1818
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:25,440
knows exactly who destroyed it

1819
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:28,239
um but again a speculation that it was

1820
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:28,960
the

1821
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:32,000
eventually destroyed it

1822
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:34,159
because they got tired of teenagers

1823
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,080
coming in at night

1824
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,920
now whether or not that's discouraged

1825
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:39,120
teenagers from

1826
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:41,520
visiting the site or not i don't know

1827
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:43,360
that's one of the speculations

1828
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:45,760
i want to talk about one other location

1829
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:46,880
that i found to be

1830
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,920
interesting um and you

1831
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:51,840
ryan you may have heard of this location

1832
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:53,120
and that is uh

1833
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:59,350
yeah it is a location that's uh a little

1834
01:11:02,870 --> 01:10:59,760
bit

1835
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,880
south east of tooele

1836
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,560
and uh the reason why i want to talk

1837
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:06,400
about this location i've actually been

1838
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:08,640
there on several occasions

1839
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:11,679
uh marker utah was uh was in

1840
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:15,120
old um late 1800s it was a famous

1841
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:18,000
mining town uh at one point it had i

1842
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,679
think anywhere from about four to five

1843
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:22,080
thousand people that lived in the town

1844
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:24,719
in the late 1800s and uh you know there

1845
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:26,560
was a lot of silver mining and gold

1846
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:29,120
mining i think going on at the time

1847
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,239
um eventually the town was just

1848
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:35,040
vacated um more or less i mean it just

1849
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:37,760
eventually became a ghost town

1850
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:41,520
and uh you know the town stood

1851
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:44,159
for many many years going all the way i

1852
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:46,960
think up until the 80s or early 90s

1853
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:49,679
i don't know this exact time frame and

1854
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,400
then a

1855
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:52,560
mining company came in and actually

1856
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:53,679
leveled the town

1857
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:55,120
and i think it was the barrick gold

1858
01:12:01,270 --> 01:12:00,149
what's left the only thing left of this

1859
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:01,280
mining town

1860
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:03,920
is an old cemetery that stands up on a

1861
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:04,960
hill

1862
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:07,600
just down from the old mining town and

1863
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:10,000
that's the old marker cemetery

1864
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:11,920
uh the interesting thing is as an

1865
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:14,400
investigator i don't typically go out to

1866
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:17,760
um investigate any sorts of of

1867
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:21,360
of uh cemeteries anything like this but

1868
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:24,400
this particular location has

1869
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:28,000
kind of a it just kind of drew me in i

1870
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:29,199
had heard about it

1871
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:30,800
i heard about people that had visited

1872
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,239
the location

1873
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:34,239
and about some strange going ons there

1874
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:36,000
i'll see if i can get a picture to

1875
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:37,440
display here

1876
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:40,320
there we go uh it's really interesting

1877
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:41,280
because

1878
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:44,000
you know one it's a very very old

1879
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:45,040
cemetery

1880
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:49,120
i think the last year that anybody was

1881
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:53,440
laid to rest at this location was 1915.

1882
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:56,480
a lot of the miners who were living in

1883
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:57,760
the town of merker

1884
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:00,800
were laid to rest here uh as you can see

1885
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:03,040
there's wooden slots hopefully uh you

1886
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:04,800
know viewers will be able to see this

1887
01:13:10,149 --> 01:13:07,120
this this image here there's wooden

1888
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,159
slats marking a lot of the gray sites

1889
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,719
some of the gray sites are simply um

1890
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:14,640
rock piles

1891
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:17,360
that's all that there is there's a

1892
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:18,000
couple of things

1893
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:20,800
that drew me in about this location one

1894
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:21,040
it's

1895
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:24,800
hill

1896
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:27,679
um you're overlooking the entire valley

1897
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:28,800
you can see

1898
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:31,360
the south side of tuition tooele army

1899
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,480
depot

1900
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:35,040
um you can see the you know western

1901
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:36,400
mountain range

1902
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:38,480
out beyond it you you can catch some

1903
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:40,960
beautiful sunsets but there's also been

1904
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:41,360
some

1905
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:43,199
interesting things i've experienced

1906
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,199
there um

1907
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:47,440
a couple of interesting evps i've

1908
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:48,560
captured there

1909
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:51,440
we've had motion lights go off on

1910
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:52,800
command there

1911
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:55,520
uh which i've hardly ever had happen at

1912
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:57,280
other locations

1913
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,640
uh we've we captured a shadow um

1914
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:02,640
towards the back of where you saw those

1915
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:04,159
wooden slats

1916
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:08,400
walking across um and we tried to debunk

1917
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:11,600
that um video footage it was one of uh

1918
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:14,239
our investigators had an ir trap camera

1919
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,239
set up and captured

1920
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:18,880
a shadow walking behind there about an

1921
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:20,159
hour before that one of our

1922
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:21,679
investigators

1923
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,719
um and it was dark you could see with

1924
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:25,840
the

1925
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:31,520
it was a person

1926
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:33,760
almost an hour later we captured that

1927
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:35,760
shadow walking back there

1928
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:38,080
and to this day we we we have not been

1929
01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:39,679
able to debunk that

1930
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,159
uh so it's quite interesting um many

1931
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,640
many cool experiences i've had here

1932
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:46,719
uh and a lot of other people have

1933
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:48,400
claimed to have had and again i don't go

1934
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:50,320
out and visit other cemeteries to try

1935
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:51,360
and investigate

1936
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,520
this is the one exception to the rule

1937
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:55,199
but you know ryan you talked about this

1938
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:57,440
kind of spiritual feeling you get or

1939
01:15:00,790 --> 01:14:58,400
this

1940
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,800
kind of certain energy you feel the

1941
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:02,480
strange thing about marker is there's

1942
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:04,239
kind of this peaceful calm when i go up

1943
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:05,920
there and visit too so i guess that's

1944
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:08,800
maybe the other reason i like to visit

1945
01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:10,239
the location um

1946
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:13,040
it's been a while maybe uh a year or so

1947
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,280
since i've visited there but

1948
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:17,679
i've always enjoyed visiting there and

1949
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:19,440
had some interesting things happen so i

1950
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:20,880
thought that would be a cool place to

1951
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:25,110
we're kind of getting short on time here

1952
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:26,400
right we've been running a little over

1953
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:27,280
an hour uh

1954
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:29,679
anything else uh cool about utah you

1955
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:32,239
want to mention for listeners

1956
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,600
yeah i think the merker area is

1957
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:37,920
it's a treasure from a paranormal

1958
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:40,000
perspective and large shadow creatures

1959
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:41,040
are quite common

1960
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:43,120
sightings there's a multitude of people

1961
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:44,560
that have seen that

1962
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i haven't been there for quite a number

1963
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:48,560
of years either but it is one of those

1964
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:49,360
places

1965
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that whether anything happens or not

1966
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,400
it's just

1967
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:54,719
it's worth the trip and if you're into

1968
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:56,000
that sort of thing

1969
01:16:02,870 --> 01:15:59,600
um and uh yeah utah has

1970
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:02,880
so many of these so many of these that

1971
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:03,840
it's really

1972
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:05,920
a shame to just say oh it's here here

1973
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:08,080
here here and here because

1974
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:10,480
they're really just all over the state

1975
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:12,560
utah really is kind of a magnificent

1976
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:19,590
yeah absolutely and plenty of beauty to

1977
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:22,159
go around in utah scenic beauty as well

1978
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,360
it's uh i love living here if you're an

1979
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:27,120
outdoor enthusiast there's so much of

1980
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:27,840
that as well

1981
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:29,760
and so much strangeness as you said as

1982
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:32,400
well um that we've already talked about

1983
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:35,040
a lot of that but ryan hey uh

1984
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:37,280
uh it's been a pleasure talking with you

1985
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,480
about this stuff uh

1986
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:40,400
i love talking about i could go on for

1987
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:41,760
hours talking about

1988
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:43,760
you know some of the strange stuff going

1989
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:45,440
on in utah

1990
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um for those who are not uh in utah

1991
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,000
maybe that'll uh

1992
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:52,159
encourage you to come out and visit and

1993
01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:53,600
uh check out some of these cool

1994
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:54,880
locations

1995
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or people that are in utah in some of

1996
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:59,600
these uh areas obviously skinwalker

1997
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ranch is off limits

1998
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:04,080
it's very heavily guarded you're not

1999
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:05,679
going to be able to go there and visit

2000
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:08,560
brandon you mentioned i'm sorry ryan uh

2001
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:09,679
you mentioned that

2002
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there are places you can go around the

2003
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:14,320
area maybe to camp

2004
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and kind of just check out and explore

2005
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:19,120
the una basin and areas close to

2006
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:20,320
skinwalker

2007
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branch so um you know there are still

2008
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,239
some places that you can go

2009
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:26,239
and you know there's also some cool

2010
01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:28,239
scenery utah's got its fair share of

2011
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:30,080
cool scenery and uh fair share of

2012
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:31,199
strange stuff

2013
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:34,080
so hey it's been a lot of fun talking uh

2014
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:35,760
talking about this ryan i thank you so

2015
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:36,320
much for

2016
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:38,880
uh joining me and talking with me today

2017
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and uh

2018
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have a wonderful rest of your day unless

2019
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:44,000
you have any parting

2020
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:48,159
comments no uh no parting comments just

2021
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:48,880
that yeah

2022
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:50,960
it is private property and and uh

2023
01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:53,360
surrounding ranch owners also don't kind

2024
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:53,600
of

2025
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:56,719
don't don't don't like that so um if you

2026
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:58,239
are going up to the area i would

2027
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:58,960
recommend

2028
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:01,679
one of the designated camp spots uh

2029
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:02,320
there's

2030
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:05,679
some down by uh uray which is amazing

2031
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:09,280
um pelican lake bottle hollow i believe

2032
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:11,520
is closed for the season but

2033
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:14,880
uh all there's there's plenty plenty

2034
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:17,920
of high strangeness to go around and

2035
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:20,880
uh utah is if you live in utah just get

2036
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:21,199
it

2037
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:22,480
you don't have to you don't have to go

2038
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:23,600
very far you probably just have to go

2039
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:24,719
into your backyard

2040
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:30,390
yeah absolutely all right well thanks

2041
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:31,920
again ryan uh

2042
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:34,719
have a great rest of your day and uh

2043
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:35,040
been

2044
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:38,560
much

2045
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:42,400
good one a lot of fun

2046
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,560
take care well there you have it guys

2047
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:46,480
curry stigan a guy that really needs no

2048
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:47,679
introduction

2049
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:50,080
loving the way he does his interviews

2050
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:53,040
passion for the paranormal check it out

2051
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:56,239
and uh until next time keep your eyes to

2052
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:57,120
the skies

2053
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feet on the ground but don't forget to

2054
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